Islamic Failure Series – Episode 58 – What is the Islamic position regarding humans having sex with animals?

Islamic Failure Series – Episode 58 – What is the Islamic position regarding humans having sex with animals?

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In the other older book of fiction, aka the Bible, precisely in Leviticus 20 verse 15, God tells Moses about the judgement upon humans having sex with animals. I guess goat sex predated Islam! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+20%3A15&version=KJV

And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast

Now, let us see what our super inconsistent copy and paste hero: Muhammad says about the same thing:

http://sunnah.com/abudawud/40/114

كتاب الحدود
باب فِيمَنْ أَتَى بَهِيمَةً
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ النُّفَيْلِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَدَّثَنِي عَمْرُو بْنُ أَبِي عَمْرٍو، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ “‏ مَنْ أَتَى بَهِيمَةً فَاقْتُلُوهُ وَاقْتُلُوهَا مَعَهُ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ قُلْتُ لَهُ مَا شَأْنُ الْبَهِيمَةِ قَالَ مَا أُرَاهُ إِلاَّ قَالَ ذَلِكَ أَنَّهُ كَرِهَ أَنْ يُؤْكَلَ لَحْمُهَا وَقَدْ عُمِلَ بِهَا ذَلِكَ الْعَمَلُ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُدَ لَيْسَ هَذَا بِالْقَوِيِّ ‏.‏

Prescribed Punishments (Kitab Al-Hudud)
Chapter: One who has intercourse with an animal
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill it along with him. I (Ikrimah) said: I asked him (Ibn Abbas): What offence can be attributed to the animal/ He replied: I think he (the Prophet) disapproved of its flesh being eaten when such a thing had been done to it.
Abu Dawud said: This is not a strong tradition.

Well, if this is not a strong Hadith, then what about this?
http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/38

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو السَّوَّاقُ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ أَبِي عَمْرٍو، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ “‏ مَنْ وَجَدْتُمُوهُ وَقَعَ عَلَى بَهِيمَةٍ فَاقْتُلُوهُ وَاقْتُلُوا الْبَهِيمَةَ ‏”‏ ‏.‏ فَقِيلَ لاِبْنِ عَبَّاسٍ مَا شَأْنُ الْبَهِيمَةِ قَالَ مَا سَمِعْتُ مِنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي ذَلِكَ شَيْئًا وَلَكِنْ أُرَى رَسُولَ اللَّهِ كَرِهَ أَنْ يُؤْكَلَ مِنْ لَحْمِهَا أَوْ يُنْتَفَعَ بِهَا وَقَدْ عُمِلَ بِهَا ذَلِكَ الْعَمَلُ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى هَذَا حَدِيثٌ لاَ نَعْرِفُهُ إِلاَّ مِنْ حَدِيثِ عَمْرِو بْنِ أَبِي عَمْرٍو عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏

That the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Whomever you see having relations with an animal then kill him and kill animal.” So it was said to Ibn ‘Abbas: “What is the case of the animal?” He said: “I did not hear anything from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) about this, but I see that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) disliked eating its meat or using it, due to the fact that such a (heinous) thing has been done with that animal.”
Now let us see how consistent was Muhammad:

http://sunnah.com/urn/1326610

حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ أَبِي فُدَيْكٍ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ بْنِ إِسْمَاعِيلَ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ بْنِ الْحُصَيْنِ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ “‏ مَنْ وَقَعَ عَلَى ذَاتِ مَحْرَمٍ فَاقْتُلُوهُ وَمَنْ وَقَعَ عَلَى بَهِيمَةٍ فَاقْتُلُوهُ وَاقْتُلُوا الْبَهِيمَةَ

It was narrated from Ibn`Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Whoever has intercourse with a Mahram relative, kill him; and whoever has intercourse with an animal, kill him, and kill the animal

But Muhammad contradicts himself in this Hadith

http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/17/39

كتاب الحدود عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
باب مَا جَاءَ فِيمَنْ يَقَعُ عَلَى الْبَهِيمَةِ

وَقَدْ رَوَى سُفْيَانُ الثَّوْرِيُّ، عَنْ عَاصِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي رَزِينٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ مَنْ أَتَى بَهِيمَةً فَلاَ حَدَّ عَلَيْهِ ‏.

What Has Been Related About One Who Commits Bestiality
Whoever has relations with beast, then there is no legal punishment for him

#islam #quran #hadith #muhammad #sharia #failure.
#اسلام #قرآن #حديث #شريعة #محمد #فشل

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Hello, I am an atheist because of reason and personal experience. I am a father of THREE lovely living kids and two dead embryos, married to a lovely Christian Catholic devoted woman. Yes, black and white can coexist as long as there is respect and love, which is something abstracted from any belief or religion. I do not claim absolute truth and not 100% sure that a God does not exist somewhere out there. The scientific method is what I use to connect to reality. If there is something I don't understand, then it is because i don't understand, not because god exists. In case you haven't noticed, I am a native Arab, and English is my third language (yes there is second language). I like reading the Bible and the Quran and the critics of both of them. I also love watching documentaries especially astronomy, cosmology, Quantum Physics, and new discoveries in science in general, and Physics in particular.
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