How strange!

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About Mike

Hello, I am an atheist because of reason and personal experience. I am a father of THREE lovely living kids and two dead embryos, married to a lovely Christian Catholic devoted woman. Yes, black and white can coexist as long as there is respect and love, which is something abstracted from any belief or religion. I do not claim absolute truth and not 100% sure that a God does not exist somewhere out there. The scientific method is what I use to connect to reality. If there is something I don't understand, then it is because i don't understand, not because god exists. In case you haven't noticed, I am a native Arab, and English is my third language (yes there is second language). I like reading the Bible and the Quran and the critics of both of them. I also love watching documentaries especially astronomy, cosmology, Quantum Physics, and new discoveries in science in general, and Physics in particular.
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15 Responses to How strange!

  1. Please for your own sake, no one is going to take you seriously when you try and pretend that historical Jesus didn’t exist. There are no ancient historians of antiquity that deny the existence of a carpenter who lived 2000 years ago by the name JESUS, nor are there any ancient historians of antiquity that deny historical JESUS was crucified by the Romans.

    • Not entirely correct. There are a tiny handful of such historians, including Robert Price and Richard Carrier. However, the overwhelming consensus rejects these fringe views. Personally, I don’t find their claims against historicity to be very convincing or well-founded.

    • Mike says:

      Do you think you should go and deny that you never had a neighbor that worked as a mechanic and raised cars with one hand to change their tires?

      • deny that I never had.. that’s a double negative, so if I denied that I never had, that means I’ld be saying that I had such a neighbor. right? So.. no I suppose I wouldn’t go and deny that I never had such a neighbor cause then I’ld be telling be people that I had one and that would just be weird, because I haven’t. But what does this have to do with historical Jesus?

      • Mike says:

        Thank you for replying to yourself then! None of the above mentioned people have ever denied Jesus, and that doesn’t mean he existed or never existed. Thus don’t you find it really strange that none of the above mentioned people ever mentioned this extraordinary event and this extraordinary man in their writings?

      • I don’t see why they would necessarily, pontius pilate didn’t even know who Jesus was until after he was brought before him, how could this be when Jesus was creating such a stir among’st Roman occupied land? I don’t think many people were to concerned with what was going within the Jewish settlement’s, outsiders were probably clueless to what was going on, the only people that were upset with Jesus were the pharisees and saducees. I imagine Roman philosophers and poets probably had much better things to write about than the self-professed savior of the small oppressed Jewish people. Perhaps if your looking for evidence you should start looking in the right places, That being said Jesus is abundantly mentioned in early sources, how do you explain people like: Tacitus, Suetonius, pliny the younger, Lucian: Philo, Flavius Josephus ?? So did they all just hallucinate or what?

      • Mike says:

        So people talking about this fictitious person (Jesus) in advance is normal to you, but at least 20 or 30 years of the death of a great person who performed extraordinary miracles, strangely nobody talks about him! Makes perfect sense!

      • I’m pretty sure what you just said doesn’t make any sense

      • Mike says:

        You can’t argue against my point of view because it touches the crux of your faith and it boils deep down in your guts that this post really put your faith in trouble and asks questions you can’t answer. This is the difference between a person who seeks to know reality at all costs and a person like you who would want to prove his religion is true at all costs! Get over it man.

      • Dude Mike your way off base man, I’m not gonna make fun of you because that would be wrong, I feel for you

      • Mike says:

        Man I’m not offending you, you just seem not wanting to admit a huge difficulty in your reasoning!

        Anyway, Happy Easter to you my friend.

  2. What reason would we have to expect Seneca, Pliny the Elder, Quintilian, Epictetus, Martial, Juvenal, Plutarch, or Philo to mention Jesus of Nazareth? None of these men lived in Judaea. None of them spoke the language which Jesus and his followers spoke. None of them had any reason to talk about Jesus, at all.

    As a reductio ad absurdum to the silly argument in this meme, it is also true that Seneca, Pliny the Elder, Quintilian, Epictetus, Martial, Juvenal, and Plutarch never mentioned Philo Iudaeus. So what does this argument from silence prove?

    • Mike says:

      The issue is that we are not talking about a usual normal human being. And having lived very close to when the books of the new testament was written, thus the news was still fresh, still none of those well known people ever mentioned this extraordinary person! Isn’t that strange?

      • Again, it’s not really all that strange, at all. Even if Jesus did perform the acts which are claimed in the Gospels (which I certainly don’t believe) the fact still remains that despite living around the same time as Jesus, none of these people lived even close to the geographic region in which Jesus lived, and none of them spoke the language which Jesus and his followers spoke. It is highly anachronistic to think that “news” of Jesus would have been disseminated to these people.

        We have no more reason to expect that they would have mentioned Jesus of Nazareth than to expect they would have mentioned the Xin Emperor, Wang Mang.

  3. truthspew says:

    Well Christians will hold out Josephus. So there’s that but single source does not the case make.

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