Muslims Sex With 4 Year Old Girls

A debate on national Arabic TV where 9-years-old child molesters condemn 4-years-old child molesters. As if molesting and having sex with 9 year old female kids is legitimate and “normal”

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About Mike

Hello, I am an atheist because of reason and personal experience. I am a father of THREE lovely living kids and two dead embryos, married to a lovely Christian Catholic devoted woman. Yes, black and white can coexist as long as there is respect and love, which is something abstracted from any belief or religion. I do not claim absolute truth and not 100% sure that a God does not exist somewhere out there. The scientific method is what I use to connect to reality. If there is something I don't understand, then it is because i don't understand, not because god exists. In case you haven't noticed, I am a native Arab, and English is my third language (yes there is second language). I like reading the Bible and the Quran and the critics of both of them. I also love watching documentaries especially astronomy, cosmology, Quantum Physics, and new discoveries in science in general, and Physics in particular.
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26 Responses to Muslims Sex With 4 Year Old Girls

  1. spookchristian says:

    Reblogged this on Christian Spook.

  2. Reblogged this on idealisticrebel and commented:
    Pedophiles are found in every country, every religion and every culture. My answer is to put them all in a penal colony in Antartica. But I have said this before. In harmony, Barbara

  3. This disgusts me to the point that I feel ill. What makes it so repugnant is that the father happily allowed his little girl to be devoured by that filthy monster in his own home. He would have heard her crying and screaming all night and done nothing to protect her. As a parent, I cannot fathom that.

    • Mike says:

      Well, my friend it disgusts me as well, but I have doubts that this really happened for one good reason. The person who speaks in the video is a Sunni Muslim (think Saudi Arabia) while the accused Muslim is a Shia Muslim (think Iran) and both are rival Islamic beliefs, with so much hatred between them reacting like oxygen and petrol, so I do not exclude that the whole story could be fake, neither exclude that it could be true. The whole point here is that both of them are wrong! One part legalizing molesting 9 year old kids while the other legalize even smaller. They are both a disgrace to humanity and should be subject to chemical castration!

  4. Rene says:

    Reblogged this on Mind Chatter.

  5. Dr. Rex says:

    Reblogged this on It Is What It Is and commented:
    OH MY GOD …. !!!! What are we? Animals??

  6. agentxp says:

    The death taboo that surrounds criticism of Muhammad is augmented by the idea that any criticism of him and his conduct is part of an ‘orientalist’ and Islamophobic slander. Muslims believe Muhammad is al-insaan al-kamil, the perfect man, beyond reproach, whose life and ways, known as the Sunnah, are guidance for all Muslims to follow and practise. His perfection is immutable, and infinite.

    But if you wish to contextualise Muhammad in the context of his times, how can Islam and Muhammad’s Sunnah be eternal and for all time? If you want to use this ‘contextualisation’ argument Islam loses the primacy of its claims to total perfection and eternal absolute ethical supremacy beyond any other religion or ethical system in the modern world. Including, of course, secular liberal democracy and humanism.

    Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234).

    The truth about Mohammed and Aisha is incidental,it depends entirely on who believes what,the Imam in Britain who was caught by an undercover reporter arranging a ten your olds marriage,”it’s okay under Sharia” he said. The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia who issued a fatwa saying 10-12 year old girls were ready for marriage or the Sudanese Imam who said the same because” if it was okay for Muhammad” etc. Muslims take this seriously and imitate Muhammad in this. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. The Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.”

    Muslims might want to change or see a different interpretation but one of the most respected authorities in Islam thinks otherwise.I suspect it’s almost impossible to defend this in a modern society so it’s good, Muslims are tying to make the story of Muhammad more palatable for modern sensibilities but it sounds like they’re really trying to convince themselves.

    However, Aisha is not the only matter of concern. After Muhammad killed all the men (including teenage boys) of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe, he took Rayhana as his ‘maiden slave’ (aka concubine, basically his sex slave) He did this after he had killed all the male members of her family.

    You can have death threats for mentioning this and criticising it. For being horrified that a man considered to be the most perfect example of man who has ever lived, did this. For being horrified at the morality of a man to whom believers are enjoined to follow the Sunnah of. To whom non believers and apostates are informed to never criticise, to observe blasphemy taboos about, upon threat of violence and death.
    Others more circumspect will slander you and call you a bigot, a racist, an orientalist and an Islamophobe for exercising your free conscience and ethical sense and expressing your disdain and revulsion for this, and the idea that such a man should have a death taboo attached to any criticism of this event. And the notion that this represents the highest and most noble man that has ever lived, for whom humanity is destined to submit to – perfect, immutable, beyond criticism, that this is worthy of rejection – this too can be ascribed as being orientalistracismislamophobiabigotry.

    If you can’t frighten critics into submission and silence, or physically snuff them out, you can silence and bully them with the language of the modern shame of being bigoted, orientalist, and so on and so forth. That is the progressive way to impose blasphemy taboos. Just like this does free conscience die.

    • Mike says:

      Very well said my friend. Thank you for stopping by and for your contribution to (at least my) knowledge and sharing your experience

  7. Excellent post.The Arab have forced marriage ,10,11,12,13, year old are forced to marry older men by paying their Dower .

  8. Administrator says:

    What do you guys believe is the correct age for marriage?

    • Mike says:

      A human being MUST live his childhood like a child, playing with mud, playing with dolls and cars, playing, making mistakes, falling down and getting up… Playing. If you prohibit or remove these natural rights, no matter what your religion was, then you are preventing a child from his rights to live as expected. Some cultures have this age at 18, others 16, but 9 year old human being IS A KID. KIDS SHOULD NOT MARRY. THEY SHOULD PLAY.

      Besides, what do you mean by “you guys”? Atheists are not represented by any religious dogma, and treat atheists as a group of people having the same belief is utterly wrong

      • Administrator says:

        By ‘you guys’ I was referring to the people commenting. There are 16 years olds who still can’t tie their shoe lace, or still play with toys etc.

        That’s the thing you can’t compare the two different century. Besides I think if you actually look into Islam open minded you will notice that Islam is the only way of life that actual thinks about their rights. For instance like you mentioned 18,16 etc. Basically that is stating a number (who can say that the individual is mature enough?) a number? In Islam you are to look at the condition of the one you are marrying regardless of age- are their physically ready? Mentally and emotionally prepared? etc I think this is giving them their rights. I personally believe stating an age is not giving them rights… Besides I know people who still play childish games and are OLD- don’t see how that makes any sense. Are they not meant to get married ? coz they still need to play :-/ I don’t get it?? Please explain.

      • Mike says:

        Maybe you are the one who doesn’t get it. My words do not mean by any way that a 16 or 18 year old human is mature, neither 80 years old. Yes, I agree with you that there are old people but act like children, BUT you seem to be indicating that if a 9 year old kid is acting like grown up could/should be considered a grown up.

        Here is a simple thought experiment. Do you consider doing business (buying a cas for example) from a 30 years-old person? I guess the answer is YES. Do you even “think” of doing the same exact business with a 9-years-old person? I guess the answer ia NO, and if YES then I guess you demand the presence of his/her parents to sign any deal as this person is clearly underage and cannot decide on such things by himself/herself.

        Why would you consider having sex with an underage normal then? I don’t have to read any damn book to figure out that having sex with a 9-years-old girl is called “CHILD RAPE”! Do you have kids? Have you ever seen how does a 9-years-old girl look like? (hint, a kid)

        What does having menstruation at 9 or 12 mean? Nothing. It means that the girl is sexually able to breed but does that mean she should have sex? Whether it is under the marriage roof or not!

      • Administrator says:

        oh and BESIDES WHO can say when one can get married- you, me the LAW? For all I know most of the things stated by the law makes NO sense!! If I’ am 6, 9, 60 regardless of my age ITS UP TO ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL TO STATE AN AGE FOR MYSELF! that is what think is right. So today for people to sit here and say ” Oh Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) got married to a 9 yearold TABOO! isn’t correct. You can prove to me that she was probably not happy with the decision??

      • Mike says:

        Hahahahahaha
        You are assuming that a 9-years-old girl is old enough and fully aware of such a radical change in her life? You must be out of your mind.

        Marriage is a huge responsibility that a 9-years-old kid cannot handle EVEN IF SHE IS SEXUALLY capable of reproducing.

        Oh my God (just to say and exclaim) so just because your prophet (piss be upon him) raped YES RAPED a young girl, you not only justify him, but you also immitate him and are OK if any one of your tribes marry (maybe I should say fuck instead of having sex or marry) a kid so small then it is ok because Muhammad was ok with that?

      • Administrator says:

        Did I say that?

      • Administrator says:

        I said who are you or I to say when someone is ready for marriage? Do you watch the news? Have you heard of the little girls getting pregnant just coz they had intercourse with the their ‘little’ boyfriends??? Then the poor girl has to carry that child and the boy just walks away… or pressures her to abort it… and yes I do. I do think that most 9 year olds can. A man walks into her door, asks for her hand, gets freaked out and says NO! Simple. That just means she is not happy and or ready. If she gets forced into accepting it then that is wrong. I dont agree with that! But all I’ am asking is who can say when one is ready…? other then the person themselves? Is that not right?

        If lets just say you have a 9 year old or 4gt that any young age girl come to you and say dad I want to get married to bla bla bla, what will you do? You will probably give her advice, tell her she is a ‘CHILD’ and then what? Say NO! okay then you say no.. she insists… are you going to tie her down? Its her right she wants to get married… her right. If she thinks its right then wat? DONT TELL ME WELL SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT RIGHT AND WRONG IS COZ SHE IS YOUNG ‘9’.
        You will probably accept after sometime and probably keep her under your roof to keep an eye on her.

        But if I’ am wrong… just the way I respect you.. I would like that too. I don’t need you to bombard me with all your ‘language’. Just explain to me what you say is right?
        That is all.

      • Mike says:

        You question is interesting, but I know where are you going to. So let me try to answer your question to the best of my knowledge/opinion
        A human is considered to be an adult when he/she is self-sufficient, an independent person who doesn’t neglect responsibilities and takes responsibility for his/her own actions, strong, and is self-aware to the world around him/her. Clearly a 9-year-old girl is out of this discussion!
        Here is another scenario for you to consider:
        If your 9-year-old kid told you that she wants to go to the university to study, will you let her go? Will the university accept her?
        So to make it simpler. It does not matter if she is sexually and physically capable of reproducing at age 9, she is still a kid, and she is immature. Yes, it is her right to get married, but she has to get married when she is fully aware of what she is doing. If your kid wants to eat 5 kg of chocolate at once, would you let her do that? Why not? It is her right to eat what she likes, isn’t it? If she wants to sell her part of the house she is living in, it is her right to do that without even consulting you, isn’t it?
        It is a human standard all over the world, or at least in the developed world that kids should have education. School education generally starts from the age of 6 years old (before that it is kindergarten), and generally lasts 12 years. Why do people study for 12 years of their lives starting from age 6? To give people better understanding of the world around them because a human without education under the age of (say 18) is generally incapable of reasoning and deciding for himself/herself. There is no exact age for considering a human mature, in the sense that there is no particular date after which you are considered an adult! It is a gradual evolution that requires time, effort, and education. Some countries consider 16 to be an acceptable age, in other countries it is 18. Sure, you might find a 40-year-old person who is very childish in his behaviours but this is not the issue here, it is the opposite. It is when considering a 9-year-old kid to be mature!
        In my opinion, there is no way a 9-year-old kid could be considered as a fully grown adult capable of taking his own decisions by himself because he is not enough self-sufficient, independent, responsible, strong, and aware of the world around him

  9. Administrator says:

    I’ am not saying I agree to the Shiite person.

    • Mike says:

      But you agree with the Sunnie Muslim

      • Administrator says:

        What’s the Sunni person saying? I mean the fact that the child was getting hurt is completely wrong!! That just clearly means she hasn’t even matured/puberty wise.

        I agree that if a person regardless of age has passed puberty and is willing to get married- there is nothing wrong with that. Like I said, who can state an age? Its just a number. Everyone is different. You might have an 18 year old that is very mature (physically, mentally, emotionally etc) and the you have one that still isn’t. YOU CANT STATE AN AGE!!!! If they do fit the criteria I mentioned in the bracket… what is wrong with her getting married- just because she doesn’t fit the Western Law??? Srsly.

  10. hqas says:

    So many issues within this post, hard to address them all. But here we go:
    1. In Iran, all politics may not be sexual, but all sex is political, because this bigotry was reinstated by Ayatollah. I will be publishing a piece very soon at my blog on this.
    2. I am totally in agreement to say that this is one area of Islam, which makes me very annoyed, confused and question my faith : the story of Aisha’s marriage to Mohammad so will refrain from commenting. I was not ever ready to be married at 28, because I didn’t feel capable of handing this responsiubi8lioty so it sounds credulous that a 6 or 8 or 18 year old knew what she was doing.
    3. No, I don’t condone child abuse or sexual abuse by temporary marriages that are actually within the Shia sect of Islam, and a menace. ( I think about 7 to 8 Shia sects are following it)
    4. Temporary marriages were not encouraged during Mohammad’s time, but they became much more part of Islamic empire post Karbala Holy War.
    5. Any 40 years old man trying on with a under-age won’t probably let you in on this point that: this is punishable by stoning the man in public. Thanks to Khomeni, Salafists for turning it other way around by stoning victim women in name of Islam.
    6. Muslims too need to read, research and rationalize the comprehensive technical areas of Islam so we can be equipped to handle what ever the f*** comes our way in name of Islam and so called suppression of women.
    7. I am doing this fight daily for child rights, under age sex workers and vulnerable children through my stories and references from Islamic scholars (in bold “PROGRESSIVE EXPERTS) as opposed to these type of Tom, Dick and Harries that become clerics after brainwashing in some stupid madrasahs, and dare to sit judgement on us. Hilariously most male clerics oppose women clerics on important rights within Islam for women, to be is clear: patriarchy and controlling women’s bodies in name of religions continues.

    • Mike says:

      I must say that I am very happy and honored to be engaged with a Muslim like you who speaks openly without fear and without trying to deny what has been done in the name of his religion and not trying to hide the obvious. I wish all Muslims (and not only Muslims) had the same open mentality you have got.

  11. hqas says:

    Thank you very much, I was born free, but with great freedom comes great responsibility too, Mom said that and besides I was raised in a Muslim-middle class family it was a given that there is no compulsion in religion. I am not painting a rosy picture but the reality is that religion and following prayers, fasting etc etc are personal to persons, as opposed to my father forcing me to fast or sitting on judgement because I don’t fast due to the fact that I live out of a suitcase for my work, a conditions including traveling allows the person to not fast during the Ramadan month, this is because Islam has inbuilt proportions to make religion not a headache for mankind.
    I am very happy to engage into logical discussions with people Muslims and not only Muslims on the fact that God says clearly the it does not require empty superficial acts done halfheartedly (under oppression, resentment that is hidden because you cant show tht you hate doing a religious thiunge) because God says it kills the whole purpose this way, if we don’t do it because we wish to do it, God does not need us to do nothing for God.
    I also dislike how many Muslims close and far get angry and totally illogically insane when it comes to dialogue. God proposes dialogue, critique and discussion to understand religion otherwise God didn’t have to give us brains no? ;)

  12. hqas says:

    God is not so weak than God needs Muslims to be greatest defender force in the globe, frankly most of us are doing a very job of this in any case! :-D

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